Charco Advanced Member
Ireland
1,979 posts Joined: Nov, 2001
Posted - 2006/03/21 : 21:07:54
It's not a colour thing. Colour shoudn't come into it.
If you have had relations that have helped shape your nation or fought for it....should you not show pride?
Could you explain that to the hundreds of people all over the world who have fought and died for their country?
I may have 'done nothing' for my country, but am very proud of it and for all those who fought for it. I have many members in my family who have spent a big part of their life doing things for the country.
Your country is where your 'home' is.
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Ionosphere Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,750 posts Joined: Dec, 2004
Posted - 2006/03/21 : 21:09:20
quote:Originally posted by Knightmare:
I still don't get how you can be proud to be e.g. british, it's like being proud to be white (and then you're a white supremacist and should die :p) or black or whatever.
You can be content, sure, happy with the situation and grateful for those who have helped shape your nation to what it is today but to be proud of the simple fact that you're e.g. british?
I feel pride should be about an accomplishement ( like helping an aid-organisation) or a choice you made (for instance political or ethical), something you knowingly did something for, not something you got thrown in your lap.
Yeh, I understand what you're saying mate but I covered that point with -
"Pride, in it's lowest form ain't good", by which I meant 'jingoism'.
The Nazis fed off of it. ie; 'I'm a worthless little shit but by joining this gang I'll be well 'ard!'
It's why I dislike football. "Yeh! We won the game last Saturday!"
WE??? ....f*ckin' WE??? ....when most of these tossers have never been to match in their life.
and further more have never been to, or have any connection with, the town or city of the club they 'support'.
I don't think that's what most of us in this topic are talking about.
I could be wrong.
P.S.
Charco posted the above simultaniously so, in reply to that I'd say
Absolutely right and because of the example they set, most of us would do the same, given the chance,
so the 'Pride' is in the individual's potential, in their heart.
Alert moderatorEdited by - Ionosphere on 2006/03/21 21:16:17
Cyborgasm Advanced Member
Canada
678 posts Joined: May, 2004
Posted - 2006/03/21 : 21:23:29
mainly im proud of the fact that candains are so stragihtforward and accepting of everyone/
everything thats what makes me most proud if it,
well that and how gorgeous it is.
my bridge is better [:P] (burrard bridge downtown vancouver)
*everything is within 20 mins of my house and in the case of the beach its about all of 30 steps away,
makes you wonder why its called beautiful british columbia eh?
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whittle1 Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,191 posts Joined: Jan, 2005
25 hardcore releases
Posted - 2006/03/21 : 22:02:33
^^ That looks really nice in Canada, can tell it's from a brochure though. I'm sure we could make the UK look tidy in a brochure though if we tried.
jenks Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,698 posts Joined: Feb, 2003
19 hardcore releases
Posted - 2006/03/21 : 22:28:59
quote:Originally posted by Knightmare:
I still don't get how you can be proud to be e.g. british, it's like being proud to be white (and then you're a white supremacist and should die :p) or black or whatever.
You can be content, sure, happy with the situation and grateful for those who have helped shape your nation to what it is today but to be proud of the simple fact that you're e.g. british?
I feel pride should be about an accomplishement ( like helping an aid-organisation) or a choice you made (for instance political or ethical), something you knowingly did something for, not something you got thrown in your lap.
********e, political correctness pisses me off, If a black person (for example) says he is proud to be black, people would give him a at on the back and say "good for you!" whereas if a white person expresses pride for his ethnic identity then he is by default a nazi! (from what I have observed anyway) and its views like that that actually fuel racism alot of te time anyway imo...
Posted - 2006/03/22 : 05:13:52
Dj Deme: Next to Australia, Canada is the best place to live / visit... find me a nice Candian wife to marry so I can get a green card :)
Knightmare Advanced Member
Belgium
1,700 posts Joined: Feb, 2003
Posted - 2006/03/22 : 10:01:05
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
quote:Originally posted by Knightmare:
I still don't get how you can be proud to be e.g. british, it's like being proud to be white (and then you're a white supremacist and should die :p) or black or whatever.
You can be content, sure, happy with the situation and grateful for those who have helped shape your nation to what it is today but to be proud of the simple fact that you're e.g. british?
I feel pride should be about an accomplishement ( like helping an aid-organisation) or a choice you made (for instance political or ethical), something you knowingly did something for, not something you got thrown in your lap.
********e, political correctness pisses me off, If a black person (for example) says he is proud to be black, people would give him a at on the back and say "good for you!" whereas if a white person expresses pride for his ethnic identity then he is by default a nazi! (from what I have observed anyway) and its views like that that actually fuel racism alot of te time anyway imo...
I just used the white supremacists as an example, it goes for black supremacists as well, same for the whole mexican pride and asian pride thing and what not, cuz, like I said, there ain't nothing to be proud off and sooner or later that pride will influence decissions you make and it will taint your life forever after...
Knightmare Advanced Member
Belgium
1,700 posts Joined: Feb, 2003
Posted - 2006/03/22 : 10:09:39
quote:Originally posted by Ionosphere:
quote:Originally posted by Knightmare:
I still don't get how you can be proud to be e.g. british, it's like being proud to be white (and then you're a white supremacist and should die :p) or black or whatever.
You can be content, sure, happy with the situation and grateful for those who have helped shape your nation to what it is today but to be proud of the simple fact that you're e.g. british?
I feel pride should be about an accomplishement ( like helping an aid-organisation) or a choice you made (for instance political or ethical), something you knowingly did something for, not something you got thrown in your lap.
Yeh, I understand what you're saying mate but I covered that point with -
"Pride, in it's lowest form ain't good", by which I meant 'jingoism'.
The Nazis fed off of it. ie; 'I'm a worthless little shit but by joining this gang I'll be well 'ard!'
It's why I dislike football. "Yeh! We won the game last Saturday!"
WE??? ....f*ckin' WE??? ....when most of these tossers have never been to match in their life.
and further more have never been to, or have any connection with, the town or city of the club they 'support'.
I don't think that's what most of us in this topic are talking about.
I could be wrong.
P.S.
Charco posted the above simultaniously so, in reply to that I'd say
Absolutely right and because of the example they set, most of us would do the same, given the chance,
so the 'Pride' is in the individual's potential, in their heart.
I think you're about on the same page as I am here, I'm just trying to point out the potential danger to the self and the enviroment of ppl being proud of something without a good reason for it (like you said, the nazi's pulled that shit widescale and look what happened).
quote:Originally posted by Charco:
It's not a colour thing. Colour shoudn't come into it.
If you have had relations that have helped shape your nation or fought for it....should you not show pride?
Could you explain that to the hundreds of people all over the world who have fought and died for their country?
I may have 'done nothing' for my country, but am very proud of it and for all those who fought for it. I have many members in my family who have spent a big part of their life doing things for the country.
Your country is where your 'home' is.
look, I'm not saying that you shouldn't show apreciation for thosewho have fought for their country and to garantee a decent future for the coming generation in that certain country, I simply think pride is the wrong emotion, admiration and respect are imo much more apropriate.
as for a country being your home, true, but once again, I think pride isn't really the right feeling to describe it (I love it, love needs no reason, home is great but I'm not proud of it, i do realise how fortunate I am and am grateful).
perhaps I simply have a veeeeeeery different view on pride then you folks have :s
JesterDJ Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,486 posts Joined: Apr, 2003
Posted - 2006/03/22 : 14:50:21
I love and loath aspects of english culture, i love our pubs, but i loath alcoholics that go out and get violent for the sake of someone spilling a pint. I love the diversity of the accents and foods around the country (much like most countries admittedly), as i loath the hooliganism of saying one area is better than another at football matches.
England, like any other country has its pros and cons, but for me, i'm proud that my past is decendant of people that had given their lives for us to be sitting here free now just as Ionosphere stated quite rightly (kudos to you man, no hard feelings from before, you know what i mean?).
Amir Khan, the 17 year old boxing sensation. He isn't white, but he happily goes out at matches and waves the british flag everywhere because he was raised here.
Its not colour, its what you know. i think everyone is entitled to be proud of their roots and their heritage, but no one can say they are better than anyone else because people and places hold different ideas and values to different degrees of importance so thats impossible.
Respect to you all though, i'm glad you are (majorly) happy with where you are, come over and visit us! be great to have you over for some tea, scones, crumpets, yorkshire puddings and a piss-up British style
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Ionosphere Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,750 posts Joined: Dec, 2004
Posted - 2006/03/22 : 16:37:25
Knightmare. Yeh we're on the same page, but imo, you just see no 'shades of grey' in Pride, only it's worst form that's all,
Cyborgasm Advanced Member
Canada
678 posts Joined: May, 2004
Posted - 2006/03/23 : 00:13:32
quote:Originally posted by silver:
Dj Deme: Next to Australia, Canada is the best place to live / visit... find me a nice Candian wife to marry so I can get a green card :)
funny you'd say that,as thats exactly what i think, if you can find me a cute aussie wife than we got a deal
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Sk8SiM Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,293 posts Joined: Nov, 2004
Posted - 2006/03/25 : 00:45:04
proud to be "ENGLISH!!!!"
but NOT!!!! BRITISH!!!
it seams if your british these days you can be chinese, pakistani, american, ect YOU NAME IT!!!
**** THAT MAN!!! I'm english.... and PROUD!!!
proud of out histroy... proud of what we are...
not proud of what we are doing now tho...
the contrys ****ed up in soooo many ways (goverment wise)
but puting this aside... WE KICK ASS!!!!
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Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,637 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2006/03/25 : 01:21:31
Americans cant be british
they can speak english though
you go to another country do you ask them if they speak english or british?
if everybody can be british then shouldnt you be asking them if they speak british?
if someone asks me - what i am? - and i say english, well of course i do most everyone does that places me virtually anywhere in the world - but if i say british....that places me squarely in england
ask random americans on the street what language they speak, they say english - trust me, ive done it, only a few say "american english"
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