| Author |
Thread |
|
Knightmare
Advanced Member
Belgium
1,700 posts
Joined: Feb, 2003
|
 Posted - 2006/02/25 : 19:53:11
quote:
Originally posted by thekid:
quote:
Originally posted by Squishy Star:
goths...
appearance wise...they go to raves here.
i really really want to see a real life goth. that way i can piss the shit out of him and see how emo people these days can get. 
wouldn't try that with the goths I've seen. they'll beat the shit out of you and you'll be the one crying :p
most real goths aren't that emo at all, just different and it's not cuz they wear make-up that they can't kick your ass :p
__________________________________
!CORE 4 LIFE!
Alert moderator 
|
Angel of Avalon
Average Member
Netherlands
228 posts
Joined: Apr, 2005
|
Posted - 2006/02/25 : 20:10:32
quote:
Originally posted by Knightmare:
fourth generation?
Yes, fourth generation. Ever been to raves lately, my friend?
The average age of those kids is 12 to 16...
I'm 27 and I already belong to the second generation. But maybe, belgium and Holland differ from eachother 
quote:
Originally posted by Knightmare:
the whole newskool image is purely build on skinhead society and every misconception about skins (including the whole racism issue) was transfered onto the gabberscene as well by the media and the stupid ppl.
I disagree. The third generation had that problem about being Neo's/Nazi's. But they did it themselfs, by giving Lonsdale a name, wearing it during riots.
I have come accross more Neo's then you will know, I've even come to know a few very closely. We often had discussions about the HC scene and Neo's.
Gabbers are not racists, neighter are skins... It's all about society...
But somewhere it got messed up...
The fourth generation are the true new commers. And I hate them already. They don't care for Gabbers, have no respect, do drugs for the fun of it even if it gets them killed. They dress like they're on a seks party. Hell, they even wear less, then I do lying in bed.
quote:
Originally posted by Knightmare:
ps: been gabber for 8 years, recently quit it cuz was sick and tired of being regarded a nazi by most ppl. still wear my maxies and hardcore merch though but now I included some non-gabber elements to my look.
still love the music though
Some non-gabber elements?
I'm proud of being gabber, I wear what I like. I like to be slightly different 
But nothing and no-one can make me loose my love for Lonsdale. It's a sports brand, make by blacks.
I've been called racist, they look rather surprised when I introduce my maori-boyfriend
Anyway, this is my opinion
__________________________________
Miss *I'm-hardcore-gabber-and-death-doesn't-scare-me*
Alert moderator
|
bristolboy05
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
955 posts
Joined: Mar, 2005
|
Posted - 2006/02/25 : 20:29:03
(hardcore rave) - mainly whites. (drum and bass rave) - mainly blacks.
(Q) wots the difference (A) in a drum and bass rave ur more likely 2 get stabbed up.
__________________________________
Love Peace Unity Hardcore United Harmony
Alert moderator
|
T~
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
797 posts
Joined: Aug, 2005
|
Posted - 2006/02/25 : 21:11:06
quote:
Originally posted by Angel of Avalon:
Lonsdale. It's a sports brand, make by blacks.
Lonsdale was started by the Earl of Lonsdale, who was white.
Alert moderator
|
Angel of Avalon
Average Member
Netherlands
228 posts
Joined: Apr, 2005
|
Posted - 2006/02/25 : 21:14:04
quote:
Originally posted by T~:
quote:
Originally posted by Angel of Avalon:
Lonsdale. It's a sports brand, make by blacks.
Lonsdale was started by the Earl of Lonsdale, who was white.
Are you sure 
Then I most deffinately stand corrected
But maybe that's a fable in my country to take the egde of of those neo's...
who knows... But again, I stand corrected
__________________________________
Miss *I'm-hardcore-gabber-and-death-doesn't-scare-me*
Alert moderator
|
Knightmare
Advanced Member
Belgium
1,700 posts
Joined: Feb, 2003
|
Posted - 2006/02/26 : 16:07:02
quote:
Originally posted by T~:
quote:
Originally posted by Angel of Avalon:
Lonsdale. It's a sports brand, make by blacks.
Lonsdale was started by the Earl of Lonsdale, who was white.
wasn't started by him, he died waaaay before the brand came into being but it was named after him becauese he was a boxing fanatic.
the brand became popular amongst skinead because the lonsdale gym was the only place where they accepted skins as members. it gained in popularity for the same reason fred perry did within that scene, because it sort of represented a certain quality that they atributed to being truelly british and their pride of it.
the fable that lonsdale was made by black ppl is mainly because around here (belgium, holland, germany, ...) lonsdale was mainly introduced by pro boxers when they came to fight here, it just happened that a lot of those boxers were black (e.g. muhammed ali wore lonsdale)
__________________________________
!CORE 4 LIFE!
Alert moderator
|
Knightmare
Advanced Member
Belgium
1,700 posts
Joined: Feb, 2003
|
Posted - 2006/02/26 : 16:23:56
quote:
Originally posted by Angel of Avalon:
1) Yes, fourth generation. Ever been to raves lately, my friend?
The average age of those kids is 12 to 16...
I'm 27 and I already belong to the second generation. But maybe, belgium and Holland differ from eachother
2) I disagree. The third generation had that problem about being Neo's/Nazi's. But they did it themselfs, by giving Lonsdale a name, wearing it during riots.
I have come accross more Neo's then you will know, I've even come to know a few very closely. We often had discussions about the HC scene and Neo's.
Gabbers are not racists, neighter are skins... It's all about society...
But somewhere it got messed up...
3) The fourth generation are the true new commers. And I hate them already. They don't care for Gabbers, have no respect, do drugs for the fun of it even if it gets them killed. They dress like they're on a seks party. Hell, they even wear less, then I do lying in bed.
4) Some non-gabber elements?
I'm proud of being gabber, I wear what I like. I like to be slightly different
But nothing and no-one can make me loose my love for Lonsdale. It's a sports brand, make by blacks.
I've been called racist, they look rather surprised when I introduce my maori-boyfriend
Anyway, this is my opinion
alright, think we have a communications prob here as to which terms are what :p
1) yeah I've been to raves and yes, the crowd keeps getting younger. but I don't consider these guys to be a new generation because they simply extend and amplify the bad ideals set before them by the newskool gen in case of behavior, racism, politics, attitude. they're just part of the new flock of ignorants. The newskool crowd(imo) is the skool that has ****ed up the scene when it was most fragile. they keep proclaiming thinghs about respect for one-another, caring for naught except the music but when you see their jackets you see the iron crosses, the SS signs, the little flags and racist emblems displayed for all to see. how can you say that it's all about the music when you defile the image of your bretheren by proclaiming things involving genocide and mass-murder?
...
sorry, I'm ranting :s
2) about the "gabbers and skins aren't racist per se" I agree, reed my post, it says so ;)
but the name losndale already had a name before the gabbers took it on, it was a "skinhead brand" and you know what the man on the street (wrongly) thinks about skins, don't you?
the whole vandalism and hooligan thing didn't help of course. I see your point there. :)
3) partially explained in nr. 1 but to add, the way the girls tend to dress sometimes is seen in all scenes where there are raves. which is worrying because the gabber scene used to be different from the rest but now that you have jump, hardstyle and commercial hardcore on the sma e parties sometimes it gets you a mixed crowd and that sort of makes it loose the whole uniqueness... it indeed blows (unless you count in underground hardcore parties, not a gabber in sight! love those cuz there aren,'t any posers around :p)
4) I also wear what I like but that used to be typical gabber wear, now I'e simply added a few elements like spiked bracelets, rings, collar, eyeliner, all black attire, etc.
looks good on my ruffneck bomber and maxi too :p
I used to be proud of being a gabber as well, but now I simply dropped that name because I keep getting accosiated in ppl minds with the far-right scum I so oppose :s
I just call myself a hardcore-head now :)
__________________________________
!CORE 4 LIFE!
Alert moderator
|
Mortis
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
7,493 posts
Joined: May, 2004
341 hardcore releases
|
Posted - 2006/02/26 : 16:26:30
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonsdale_(brand)
__________________________________
"Maybe in a day and age in which even our rappers can't get to the end of a verse without having an existential crisis, we should find a place for happy hardcore"
Alert moderator
|
Angel of Avalon
Average Member
Netherlands
228 posts
Joined: Apr, 2005
|
Posted - 2006/02/26 : 16:28:11
quote:
Originally posted by Knightmare:
it gained in popularity for the same reason fred perry did within that scene, because it sort of represented a certain quality that they atributed to being truelly british and their pride of it.
Ah... And every one knows where Gabbers in Holland got their "look" from.
Seems that you Brittish skins were our roll model
Sadly, the look was taken over by neo's...
It's a sad past we Gabbers have...
__________________________________
Miss *I'm-hardcore-gabber-and-death-doesn't-scare-me*
Alert moderator
|
lucificifus
Advanced Member
United States
1,518 posts
Joined: Jun, 2004
|
Posted - 2006/02/27 : 04:17:04
FOR THE RECORD:
DJ Vibes is black like Jesus
__________________________________
pump tha selectah!
Alert moderator
|
Squishy Star
Advanced Member
United States
2,242 posts
Joined: Mar, 2004
|
Posted - 2006/02/27 : 06:00:56
quote:
Originally posted by Angel of Avalon:
quote:
Originally posted by Knightmare:
fourth generation?
Yes, fourth generation. Ever been to raves lately, my friend?
The average age of those kids is 12 to 16...
Exactly! I'm 15 with a fake I.D. (shhh!) The Fourth Generation? of Hardcore Ravers...represent!
quote:
Originally posted by lucificifus:
FOR THE RECORD:
DJ Vibes is black like Jesus
Connor, you're one who gets me really thinking sometimes - What is this world coming to? You're can be so damn...weird heh luv3 y4h th0?
WELL PUT! Fuhkin <LOVE3 JESUS!! xx
__________________________________
"i want to create a world, a world full of colour; where everyone can play. like one big party that never ends,"
Alert moderator
|
FriedRice
Advanced Member
Australia
669 posts
Joined: Feb, 2006
|
Posted - 2006/02/27 : 06:20:17
Nah i disagree i find that in Australia raving is huge with the asian community, they love it and i love the asian women  so it goes hand in hand lol. If you wanna talk racism i live a 40 minute drive from the Cronulla riots, dunno if you internationals heard about that?it was a sort of "stand up for Australians" day. Put simply all this racist crap is a joke as my good Tongan friend Sam Fusie once said "**** Aussies, **** Lebos, **** tongans.....lets just go out and have a killa nite" lol
__________________________________
How do you get an emo out of a tree? Cut the rope..
Alert moderator
|
jenks
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,698 posts
Joined: Feb, 2003
19 hardcore releases
|
Posted - 2006/02/27 : 06:38:23
quote:
Originally posted by lucificifus:
FOR THE RECORD:
DJ Vibes is black like Jesus
Huh?
Alert moderator
|
1up
Advanced Member
Australia
1,091 posts
Joined: Jan, 2005
|
Posted - 2006/02/27 : 13:04:53
quote:
Originally posted by Knightmare:
quote:
Originally posted by thekid:
quote:
Originally posted by Squishy Star:
goths...
appearance wise...they go to raves here.
i really really want to see a real life goth. that way i can piss the shit out of him and see how emo people these days can get.
wouldn't try that with the goths I've seen. they'll beat the shit out of you and you'll be the one crying :p
most real goths aren't that emo at all, just different and it's not cuz they wear make-up that they can't kick your ass :p
doesnt matter i will still do so
__________________________________
fcuk the rails. fcuk the rails! FCUK THE RAILS!
Alert moderator
|
FriedRice
Advanced Member
Australia
669 posts
Joined: Feb, 2006
|
Posted - 2006/02/27 : 13:19:15
You know when i was in high school my skater friend mate fun of 4 fat goth chix.......they beat the shit outta him stole his deck and his shoes lol so take my word 4 it u dont wanna poke fun at a goth
__________________________________
How do you get an emo out of a tree? Cut the rope..
Alert moderator
|
|
Printer friendly
