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rezzna
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 Posted - 2004/04/14 : 15:19:11
few questions.
A: how do you get vinyl EQ'd and mastered to the quality of which it could be played through a however-many-million K rig as can be found in almost every rave.
B: what applications need to be made when setting up a label? business licenses etc.
C: is the copyright to how high by method man actually valid still? it's the one with shatter the glass and hustlers and hardcore and nuff others on.
D: are pressing plants and distros as unreliable as ive heard
E: can floops choons be put on vinyl? i heard they cant from someone at some point.
F: is it hard to get vinyl into stores?
G: anyone know of any professional tunes thatve been made on floops?
H: can anyone give me an approx. figure on how much labels cost the owner up to the point of the first release hitting shops?
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Seany
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Posted - 2004/04/14 : 15:37:15
http://www.ush.net/board/viewtopic.php?t=115159&highlight=record+label
Might be some info in there.
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Seany
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Posted - 2004/04/14 : 16:22:52
Right heres something.. http://www.indiscriminate.co.uk/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=15&t=587&s=43537911c6a0ffb8006eea978f63d9c6
And to answer some of your Q's
A:It would get done at the pressing plant
E:Yes ,But the quality would be Dire.
F:Read the link i just posted
G:Deejaybee & Overflow ft Vision-Sunrise was pressed to vinyl and was made in Floops ,Quality=Crap! (Get Cubase ;) )
H:Read the link
Most of it is in that link :)
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rezzna
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Posted - 2004/04/14 : 16:36:56
skill!
cheers mate. i know everyone says cubase is the dog's but IMO its crap for actually writing choons. its too complex, and relies far too heavily on midi input from what ive seen.
problem is we dont have any live synths to record with and no midi port (anyone selling one?!?!)
im hoping any beef with quality can be avoided by layering and mixing the tracks down as wavs in cubase. its complex but we've spent too much time with flstudio to give up on it totally now.
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Seany
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Posted - 2004/04/14 : 16:39:03
'Far to complex'
1:Is it hell
2:Its not meant to be easy...Writing tunes is a proffesion/Skill so dont expect it to be like FL
'It relys on midi'
3:Obviously ,Thats how synths/Vst's etc communicate ,How else are you going to make a tune? All with samples?
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rezzna
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Posted - 2004/04/14 : 17:07:59
1: im sure its not complex nce you get into it, but to get the most out of the program it is complex. otherwise it would be shit.
2: i dont expect any aspect of music to be easy, ive learnt over the past ten years that being an artist is 90% hard work and 10% annoying to the point of giving up. but things being made less difficult is a good ting IMO. and at the moment the amount of work needed to make floops sound good means im no stranger to difficulties
3: soft synths and step sequencers.
i cant really afford much more than food and nicotine at the moment, thats why im not setting up a "real" studio. and its surprisingly hard to get into a fully equipped pro-studio.
anyway the scenes got too obsessed with production quality. the difference between a nicely produced choon and a perfectly crafted piece of production genius shouldn't matter so much. its unfair that we should have to invest tens of thousands before people can hear our stuff.
anyway over-produced hardcore just aint as good. it might sound smoother but it shouldnt matter to the excess that it does nowadays
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Seany
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Posted - 2004/04/14 : 17:31:22
3:Exactly...It all works with MIDI.
You dont need thousands of pounds for people to hear your work ,There are several proffesional artists that use only Software..So you dont 'Need' Hardware(Synths) A whole tune can be made proffesional with just Software you know..
2ndly..You can get in the studio with Gammer for about 150 or something for a day And Stargazer is 120 or something.
Not 'that' Expensive ;)
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2004/04/14 : 21:11:39
quote:
but IMO its crap for actually writing choons
I agree, which is why i only use Cubase for the final version of the tune i'm working on, the final mixdown (though it would save time if i was to learn it, then i wouldn't have to re-do the whole thing, but i dont want to at the moment) :)
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Posted - 2004/04/15 : 04:36:04
A: how do you get vinyl EQ'd and mastered to the quality of which it could be played through a however-many-million K rig as can be found in almost every rave.
There is a vinyl mastering process that is done before you press, but you really should get a good studio master done from a good engineer as well.
B: what applications need to be made when setting up a label? business licenses etc.
Technically nothing.
C: is the copyright to how high by method man actually valid still? it's the one with shatter the glass and hustlers and hardcore and nuff others on.
Copyright for the most parts is 50 - 100 years.
D: are pressing plants and distros as unreliable as ive heard
Yep, very unreliable unless you have a ton of cash.
E: can floops choons be put on vinyl? i heard they cant from someone at some point.
You can not just put FL onto a vinyl, it sounds like crap, you need to re-do it in something else. I'm sorry to everyone who loves FL it's the god honest truth, it might sound excellent on your car / home stereo but not on vinyl.
F: is it hard to get vinyl into stores?
Not that hard.
G: anyone know of any professional tunes thatve been made on floops?
Yep, trackers even, BUT they are all then re-done and mastered in something else.
H: can anyone give me an approx. figure on how much labels cost the owner up to the point of the first release hitting shops?
axp. 1000 UK pounds
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Posted - 2004/04/15 : 11:23:49
nice one silver much appreciated. the 1000quid estimates boosted my confidence, obviously im not stupid so ill prepare for it costing 3000 (cuz thats the way these things work)
thing is in august im gettin a few grand that was left to me and the main thing i want to do with the money is this.
thanks too smilee, stargazers a god so im gonna hafta look into that. i gave a tape with a few tracks to gammer's little brother, but dunno if he got it. i need to speak to him cuz i live in the same town and he'd be such a useful mate.
fortunately we've got cubase, itsjust a matter of organizing the computer so cubase knows where the vsts are.
anyone know if its possible to import piano rolls off fruity onto cubase? that would make everything so much easier.
ta again
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Posted - 2004/04/15 : 13:48:13
quote:
Originally posted by rezzna:
D: are pressing plants and distros as unreliable as ive heard
Pretty much, yes. Just ask Hixxy ;)
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Posted - 2004/04/16 : 04:44:54
quote:
Originally posted by rezzna:
anyone know if its possible to import piano rolls off fruity onto cubase? that would make everything so much easier.
Export the track as midi in fruity then import into Cubase.
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Posted - 2004/04/16 : 05:02:04
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
G: anyone know of any professional tunes thatve been made on floops?
Yep, trackers even, BUT they are all then re-done and mastered in something else.
There's one song I know was done in Fruityloops that I don't think was ever redone elsewere. Or so he told me.
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Posted - 2004/04/16 : 10:42:23
As was said earlier....."Deejay Bee & Overflow - Sunrise" was made in Fruity Loops.
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Posted - 2005/04/20 : 04:03:52
there is no reason that fruity tunes can't be put on vinyl if it's mastered right.
i have a friend with hardcore, hard trance, trance releases all done in fruity.
guyver for tidy used fruity for serious sounds. ben kaye uses reason.
cheap software doesn't mean crap... it's all down to ur mastering skills.
//Nathan D
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