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rafferty
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 Posted - 2025/03/16 : 03:57:52
Has anyone else noticed the massive lack of creativity and imagination in today's hardcore? The major players like One Seventy, Electric Fox, Bionic Bear seem to be just rehashing the same old Hardstyle strings almost every release.
ONE SEVENTY has actually gotten that bad that it is basically the same track every release with a different vocal. You contrast this to what house music is doing at the moment with more different sounds that ever being used. Then you can see why house music is thriving and hardcore is more dead and more boring than it has ever been.
Hardcore 24/7 & Brutal Kuts are just are a little better but there are still a lot of rehashes of old tracks, sounds and not a lot of new ideas.
There are more electronic genres than ever to get influences from. Surely people can think a little outside the box like in the 90s and early 2000s.
What ever happened to Rap, Hip Hop and scratch samples in Hardcore? Which got a lot of Americans into the sound. Or Breakbeats & Drum n Bass sections? Or House & EDM music vocals and riffs. I love Hardstyle, but for farks sake... there are more genres in the scene you can take influence from than just Hardstyle & Trance. And don't be a bitch and be afraid to use samples.
I think this a big reason the scene has died off, lack of creative intelligence with productions.
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Edited by - rafferty on 2025/06/06 11:49:25 |
Impulse_Response
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Posted - 2025/03/16 : 05:22:03
I've had the same complaint for a while. Everything sounds like hardstyle.
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Mansy
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Posted - 2025/03/16 : 09:09:01
The problem always has and always will stem from the top guys! If any of the littler guys try diffrent or new stuff it just gets brushed off. Because they have a bigger following it really depends on them to make the next step and for everyone to evolve around them. I do like the hardstyle influence and use it myself sometimes but it is time for a new direction now...but to what? nobody knows or nobody wants to take the next step! Hence why everyones stuck in a loop and majority of the top guys have jumped shit and are playing 155/160 Edm shite at HTID events.
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Anon.
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Posted - 2025/03/16 : 11:01:06
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Originally posted by Mansy:
The problem always has and always will stem from the top guys! If any of the littler guys try diffrent or new stuff it just gets brushed off. Because they have a bigger following it really depends on them to make the next step and for everyone to evolve around them.
20 years ago this was true but now with social media being around , its so much easier to get noticed.
Just need to put the work in and stand out.
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Sparkz_LuckyStrike
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Posted - 2025/03/17 : 13:32:35
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Originally posted by Anon.:
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Originally posted by Mansy:
The problem always has and always will stem from the top guys! If any of the littler guys try diffrent or new stuff it just gets brushed off. Because they have a bigger following it really depends on them to make the next step and for everyone to evolve around them.
20 years ago this was true but now with social media being around , its so much easier to get noticed.
Just need to put the work in and stand out.
???? Bollocks. Many people did their own thing 20 years ago and the scene had a much broader range of sounds and styles. It was still the big boys at the top but with much more of a variety to the scene (Kevin energy, Kurt, squad-e, technikore, etc etc), all great artists but all with a different sound.
When people did their own thing back then they were often picked up on by the bigger artists such as with Kurt, Paul ep, and so on.
With social media now it's even harder to get noticed as such because, well, everyone can make and promote music via social media so there's too much choice if anything. Paying for likes and most 'influencers' are only where they are due to having an idea they've paid heavily to promote and gain followers.
More specifically with hardcore though, the following just isn't there to start with anymore and with more choice than ever for music, and different genres at the click of a button, people are already spoilt for choice.
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Icewind
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Posted - 2025/04/03 : 02:12:45
You know what Rafferty...I wholeheartedly agree.
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jenks
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Posted - 2025/04/04 : 03:22:33
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Originally posted by rafferty:
Has anyone else noticed the massive lack of creativity and imagination in today's hardcore? The major players like One Seventy, Electric Fox, Bionic Bear seem to be just rehashing the same old Hardstyle strings almost every release. Hardcore 24/7 & Brutal Kuts are just are a little better but there are still a lot of rehashes of old tracks, sounds and not a lot of new ideas.
There are more electronic genres than ever to get influences from. Surely people can think a little outside the box like in the 90s and early 2000s.
What ever happened to Rap, Hip Hop and scratch samples in Hardcore? Which got a lot of Americans into the sound. Or Breakbeats & Drum n Bass sections? Or House & EDM music vocals and riffs. I love Hardstyle, but for farks sake... there are more genres in the scene you can take influence from than just Hardstyle & Trance. And don't be a bitch and be afraid to use samples.
I think this a big reason the scene has died off, lack of creative intelligence with productions.
In the UK definitely. There is loads of good J-core and Frenchcore though.
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rafferty
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Posted - 2025/06/06 : 11:28:48
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by rafferty:
Has anyone else noticed the massive lack of creativity and imagination in today's hardcore? The major players like One Seventy, Electric Fox, Bionic Bear seem to be just rehashing the same old Hardstyle strings almost every release. Hardcore 24/7 & Brutal Kuts are just are a little better but there are still a lot of rehashes of old tracks, sounds and not a lot of new ideas.
There are more electronic genres than ever to get influences from. Surely people can think a little outside the box like in the 90s and early 2000s.
What ever happened to Rap, Hip Hop and scratch samples in Hardcore? Which got a lot of Americans into the sound. Or Breakbeats & Drum n Bass sections? Or House & EDM music vocals and riffs. I love Hardstyle, but for farks sake... there are more genres in the scene you can take influence from than just Hardstyle & Trance. And don't be a bitch and be afraid to use samples.
I think this a big reason the scene has died off, lack of creative intelligence with productions.
In the UK definitely. There is loads of good J-core and Frenchcore though.
Frenchcore is basically rehashing the same sound over and over again too.
The only genre that seems to be highly creative and using lots of different sounds at the moment is house music. No other dance genre is using more different synths and sounds than house. I just wish hardcore producers would use the same creativity at the 170bpm tempos.
We have capital dance on at work and I really noticed this when hearing a lot of the new house music being played.
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Edited by - rafferty on 2025/06/06 11:32:09 |
rafferty
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Posted - 2025/06/06 : 11:41:42
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Originally posted by Mansy:
The problem always has and always will stem from the top guys! If any of the littler guys try diffrent or new stuff it just gets brushed off. Because they have a bigger following it really depends on them to make the next step and for everyone to evolve around them. I do like the hardstyle influence and use it myself sometimes but it is time for a new direction now...but to what? nobody knows or nobody wants to take the next step! Hence why everyones stuck in a loop and majority of the top guys have jumped shit and are playing 155/160 Edm shite at HTID events.
Yes I agree with you. They all seem to try to emulate the main names instead of coming up with their own original ideas. And the main guys seem to be not wanting to do anything new.
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Edited by - rafferty on 2025/06/06 11:44:31 |
Samination
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Posted - 2025/06/06 : 12:23:26
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Originally posted by rafferty:The only genre that seems to be highly creative and using lots of different sounds at the moment is house music.
You really do wear your "I hate Trance" badge on your sleeve ;P
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2025/06/06 : 15:06:12
Yes, it has been hard to find decent new tunes that feature a variety.
What I'm over is the compressed drum. 24/7 was getting out of control with it for a while - every track having that same mushy drum.
I'm ready for imagination & some raw, uncompressed drums to come back to the genre. And what happened to vocal manipulation? Remember when the vocal would be sliced and diced, or have some effect thrown over it? Now it's just plain singing.
Speaking on Brutal Kuts - I thought the label was suppose to be their outlet for the harder sounds. Yes, they've done wonders getting new happier styles out, but that chrome & polished "Fracus & Dawin" sound is seeping its way in. Where did the "Big Kick" momentum go?
And with OneSeventy - here's you a 4 minute track with 3:20 of the percusionless break. Enough said.
And one more before I go - Why has the tempo been taken away from the genre? I thought a reason we loved this genre was for it's tempo. Why are we slowing it down? It's like tempo has been disassociated as a characteristic of the genre. I can make a track at 150 bpm, and call it "Happy Hardcore". I can make a track at 160 bpm and call it "Happy Hardcore". And yes, there was a point in 1993-1995 when that was the tempo, but that was considered fast for that time. The genre mostly settled on 170ish for 20+ years, and now you want to take the tempo away and still call it Hardcore? Unless you're making tracks in the style of a certain time period, I don't think that's a fair claim to do and still call it "Happy Hardcore"
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Edited by - warped_candykid on 2025/06/06 15:23:42 |
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