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possys2
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 Posted - 2021/03/22 : 01:54:14
from 2001-2003.
the music was slower(around 168 id guess at), dark, happy, trancey, vocal driven, freeform, breakbeats, uplifting, stompy! all kinds of styles all in one set! also mcing kinda went up a level.
was this one of the best eras for the music?
tho i think this was probs the change into uk hardcore, from happy hardcore.
for me, late 94/early 95 was/will always be me favourite, again probs the birth of happy hardcore
so what was your fav era of the music and why?
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9oh9
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Posted - 2021/03/22 : 11:24:20
100% one of the best eras, although I'm totally biased as this was when I was first getting into going out raving. You had the "Happy Hardcore" era fading away, with people making some genuinely diverse sounding and experimental stuff.
The early Breeze & Styles/Dougal & Gammer stuff was great, heavily influenced by trance, we had CLSM doing great breakbeat tracks and also harder trancy stuff, Scott Brown was on fire as well. Producers like K-Complex, Stargazer, Vagabond starting to come through too. Freeform had big kicks as well as hard trance influenced stuff. It was the first time hardcore had been "credible" in a long time IMO.
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lone_raver
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Posted - 2021/03/22 : 20:30:30
Fully agree was the best of me too. Just before clubland got their hands on hardcore then started going downhill after that. For me personally freeform got better and better as the years went on though.
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2021/03/23 : 06:37:03
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Originally posted by 9oh9:
100% one of the best eras, although I'm totally biased as this was when I was first getting into going out raving. You had the "Happy Hardcore" era fading away, with people making some genuinely diverse sounding and experimental stuff.
The early Breeze & Styles/Dougal & Gammer stuff was great, heavily influenced by trance, we had CLSM doing great breakbeat tracks and also harder trancy stuff, Scott Brown was on fire as well. Producers like K-Complex, Stargazer, Vagabond starting to come through too. Freeform had big kicks as well as hard trance influenced stuff. It was the first time hardcore had been "credible" in a long time IMO.
Ironically most 90s ravers say the exact opposite, its when it lost all of its credibility.
But then thats just sour grapes tbh, our scene had gone, wasnt our time anymore.
But I genuinely hated the music until the proper UK Hardcore emerged.
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Impulse_Response
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Posted - 2021/03/23 : 07:22:42
It's all about the early noughties for me.The only tapepack I own is HTID 1. I'm sure there's plenty of old skool I'd like but I haven't heard enough to put the time and energy into a deep dive.
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9oh9
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Posted - 2021/03/23 : 12:19:39
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Originally posted by LeVzi:
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Originally posted by 9oh9:
100% one of the best eras, although I'm totally biased as this was when I was first getting into going out raving. You had the "Happy Hardcore" era fading away, with people making some genuinely diverse sounding and experimental stuff.
The early Breeze & Styles/Dougal & Gammer stuff was great, heavily influenced by trance, we had CLSM doing great breakbeat tracks and also harder trancy stuff, Scott Brown was on fire as well. Producers like K-Complex, Stargazer, Vagabond starting to come through too. Freeform had big kicks as well as hard trance influenced stuff. It was the first time hardcore had been "credible" in a long time IMO.
Ironically most 90s ravers say the exact opposite, its when it lost all of its credibility.
But then thats just sour grapes tbh, our scene had gone, wasnt our time anymore.
But I genuinely hated the music until the proper UK Hardcore emerged.
Yeah, I'd say you had:
89-93ish "Credible" ravey oldskool, (OK with some cheese in there as well)
94-95 Getting a bit cheesy, but still rave oriented with breaks, crossover with Jungle
96-98 Full on toytown/cheese era
99-01 Terrible chart ripoffs, scene dying out
02-05 Start of raverbaby sound, heavy trance influence, production getting better, way less cheese.
05-... "Shit, we can make way more money if we just take Clubland tunes and speed them up a bit."
I guess by "credible" I meant tracks that were less cringe inducingly cheesy to people not into hardcore. E.G. one of Vinylgroover's 1998 releases compared to something like Reaching Out from CLSM (2002).
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2021/03/23 : 12:37:14
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Originally posted by 9oh9:
Yeah, I'd say you had:
89-93ish "Credible" ravey oldskool, (OK with some cheese in there as well)
94-95 Getting a bit cheesy, but still rave oriented with breaks, crossover with Jungle
96-98 Full on toytown/cheese era
99-01 Terrible chart ripoffs, scene dying out
02-05 Start of raverbaby sound, heavy trance influence, production getting better, way less cheese.
05-... "Shit, we can make way more money if we just take Clubland tunes and speed them up a bit."
I guess by "credible" I meant tracks that were less cringe inducingly cheesy to people not into hardcore. E.G. one of Vinylgroover's 1998 releases compared to something like Reaching Out from CLSM (2002).
For me it is there:
87-89: Strange new sound but it gets people moving
90-92: Sound getting better. Lots of breakbeats in the UK and noise from Belgium
93-95: UK Jungle and Happy split. Either dark moody basslines and Ragga vocals or pianos with cheesy vocals
93-95: Scotland and North East England. Bouncy variant of the Dutch sound crossing over into the rest of England
93-95: Netherlands and Belgium. Emerging Gabber sound. Hard bass drums. Rotterdam noise.
95-97: UK Happy Hardcore peak. Cheesy fairground tracks and vocals and love songs. Breakbeat gets dropped. Some Dutch/ German imports.
95-97: Dutch, German and Italian Hardcore at peak. Some 'Happy Gabber' but other more mature stuff. Hard bass drums are the rule.
97-99: Trancecore. Mostly UK sound. Leading towards Freeform.
98-2000: Later part of Happy Hardcore. More mellow and vocal centric. Some Trancy leans.
98-2000: Gabber goes New Style. Loses its charm. No Happy influences allowed.
2000-2006: Freeform grows. Takes influence from Hard House and Hard Trance. At peak.
2001-2003: UK Hardcore modernises itself into the Trance sound but some focus on the happy vocals.
2004-2007: UK Hardcore grows hug and hits a peak in 05/06. Big lean towards commercial.
2008- onwards: UK Hardcore gets lost and no one knows where it is going.
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possys2
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Posted - 2021/03/23 : 14:28:29
when did the electro sounding hardcore start appearing? 2010/11? kinda went off it around that time. tho i i did like kurt - i dont like it
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2021/03/23 : 15:25:27
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Originally posted by possys2:
when did the electro sounding hardcore start appearing? 2010/11? kinda went off it around that time. tho i i did like kurt - i dont like it
Probably around 2009ish when Electro House started to hit big in the mainstream.
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