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Alex Spectrum
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 Posted - 2020/10/13 : 03:50:19
Hello everyone. So, I was listening to some 2000s happy hardcore, and I've always wondered what sample packs (or series/volumes)producers use for the drums (particularly the characteristic claps/ clap snares). I know they are not Vengeance Essential Clubsounds, because none of their claps/snares sound anything like the ones I'm looking for, nor am I looking for "artist" sample packs (like the ones on Loopmasters for Sy and Unknown or Breeze and Styles). I want to know the actual origin of these samples (I know producers were using them even before Vengeance was even around, like in 2003, and other producers were using these same or similar ones).
Here are some example tracks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LRXoMBlUZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6aK2oPrmCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9LvXRd_6ac
So, anyone know what sample packs these drums (especially the claps/clap snares) come from?
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thedjjudah
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Posted - 2020/10/13 : 19:44:51
I can guarantee you that the artists are layering their snares. They probably took one sample and cut it off short and then layer that with another sample.
I don?t know if you?ve ever tried layering drums before, It?s a real treat to create your own drum sounds
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Alex Spectrum
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Posted - 2020/10/13 : 20:26:37
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Originally posted by thedjjudah:
I can guarantee you that the artists are layering their snares. They probably took one sample and cut it off short and then layer that with another sample.
I don?t know if you?ve ever tried layering drums before, It?s a real treat to create your own drum sounds
I don't think they layer samples. They are definitely using one sample for the claps. I know other producers used that same clap sound before (like Sunrize's Grey Remains, the Orbit1 remix of Milo featuring Phil Ryan's Leave You Again, or Joey Riot's 2007 remix of Your Smile). I do actually have the Sy and Unknown and Breeze and Styles sample packs from Loopmasters, and they are just one sample, not layered. That's why I want to know what sample packs they actually came from, so I can have all the rest of these samples (along with the kicks, snares, hats, etc.).
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2020/10/13 : 22:14:04
Could be some kind of ROMpler. Maybe the m1, e-mu orbit (rackmount synth), or even nexus.
There definitely was a moment where Breeze & Styles and Sy and Unknown used vengeance packs extensively, including nexus. Both duos captured in their video masterclasses discussing the fact.
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Alex Spectrum
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Posted - 2020/10/14 : 00:32:45
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Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
Could be some kind of ROMpler. Maybe the m1, e-mu orbit (rackmount synth), or even nexus.
There definitely was a moment where Breeze & Styles and Sy and Unknown used vengeance packs extensively, including nexus. Both duos captured in their video masterclasses discussing the fact.
I know it's not the M1, which I use for my pianos. I don't think it's Nexus, or the e-mu orbit synth (which is hardware, and I'm not interested in hardware synths/ROMplers).
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2020/10/14 : 01:29:08
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Originally posted by Alex Spectrum:
quote:
Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
Could be some kind of ROMpler. Maybe the m1, e-mu orbit (rackmount synth), or even nexus.
There definitely was a moment where Breeze & Styles and Sy and Unknown used vengeance packs extensively, including nexus. Both duos captured in their video masterclasses discussing the fact.
I know it's not the M1, which I use for my pianos. I don't think it's Nexus, or the e-mu orbit synth (which is hardware, and I'm not interested in hardware synths/ROMplers).
I agree with djjudah on the layering part. Those sounds may just be that.
If you mix and match, the vengeance collections can get you close, if not spot on.
btw, hardware romplers tend to be more "realistic". Which is something I sense from the linked sample tracks. From the hardware I've owned, most of the presets are rather unique to the specific hardware, like the orbit.
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Edited by - DJ_FunDaBounce on 2020/10/14 01:50:03 |
thedjjudah
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Posted - 2020/10/16 : 03:41:49
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Originally posted by Alex Spectrum:
I don't think they layer samples. They are definitely using one sample for the claps. I know other producers used that same clap sound before (like Sunrize's Grey Remains, the Orbit1 remix of Milo featuring Phil Ryan's Leave You Again, or Joey Riot's 2007 remix of Your Smile). I do actually have the Sy and Unknown and Breeze and Styles sample packs from Loopmasters, and they are just one sample, not layered. That's why I want to know what sample packs they actually came from, so I can have all the rest of these samples (along with the kicks, snares, hats, etc.).
How do you know that the samples aren't layered? They probably bounced the layered snares to 1 sample. That's what I (and I'm sure almost every other producer) would do. It just makes it so much easier to work with.
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Jondozedoph
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Posted - 2022/03/28 : 18:17:00
Almost all the drums from this period of Hardcore are in fact Vengeance Club Sounds 1 and 2 samples. the reason they don't sound correct to you is they need to be edited to fit in Hardcore tracks. for instance, the kicks have far too much bottom end for Hardcore, so a lot of the ones you hear are lowshelved, and tightly faded to shift the focus of the drum to 100-200hz, rather than the sub(sub is not your friend in Hardcore) the transients sometimes are faded in a bit as well or they opted to use an envelope shaper accomplishing a similar thing to get that more stompy, almost reversed transient quality that Hardcore of that period has which sounds a lot better than clicky transients at that tempo. the snares and claps are enveloped tightly as well to fit within the small time window that Hardcore offers from beat to beat
To answer ya question though. they are all from Vengeance
Heard it first hand from Mike Di Scala, and i'd assume all these producers were sharing and using the same shit
A bit before this though like premier Raverbaby releases a lot of the drums were lifted from Hard House and Hard Trance records. the kick B&S use is ripped from a BK track for example and Re-Con's kick of that period is a heavily Edited Dumonde kick (same one he uses in all his Scouse House aliases too)
I know this is a Necro lol. just thought i'd chime in
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