trippnface Advanced Member
United States
1,657 posts Joined: Jan, 2010
Posted - 2019/12/12 : 19:56:55
I can deal with old skool breakbeat at 165, because it still contains plentiful elements of sweet female vocals and banging piano riffs. I forget it's slower, because the music is so good.
this current 160 style "hardcore", typically doesn't **** with female vocals or piano that much anymore. it's just the same recycled hard style lead and abunch of uninspired sounds, that makes every track sound the same. I feel that way though about IYF's sound too though, even at 170.
It's not good. Those going to a hardcore show are expecting faster energy, same reason I would go to a dnb show, and not a dubstep show.
It doesn't have to be fast to be Hardcore, but Happy and UK Hardcore should be a least 170bpm. I'm guessing that's the point you were trying to make.
I was gonna ask, you seen the name of this forum ? I know what types of hardcore there are. Happy hardcore / UK Hardcore should be played fast.
Well. Be more specific. You said 'Hardcore' should be fast. That's quite a broad statement. I actually guessed that was the point you were trying to make in my last sentence. I was just making sure.
warped_candykid Advanced Member
United States
3,967 posts Joined: Jan, 2004
Posted - 2019/12/15 : 20:40:32
I've noticed this trend as well, and I don't see how they're passing it off as "UK Hardcore". I would expect most UK Hardcore to be produced around 168 - 175 bpm. I hope this trend doesn't last and we get things back on track.
Posted - 2019/12/21 : 02:27:13
i can't believe happy hardcore these days is now associated with hardstyle
hardstyle is suppose to be hardcore with hard trance without all the fluff
Johnscardy New Member
United Kingdom
48 posts Joined: Mar, 2017
Posted - 2019/12/21 : 10:18:42
160bpm doesn't bother me... The fact that it's absolute shit does. Pitch it up to 170 and it will still be shit. You can't polish a turd!
The drunken scotsman Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,486 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2019/12/21 : 19:51:13
quote:Originally posted by Johnscardy:
160bpm doesn't bother me... The fact that it's absolute shit does. Pitch it up to 170 and it will still be shit. You can't polish a turd!
carldj90 Senior Member
United States
299 posts Joined: May, 2010
Posted - 2019/12/29 : 07:18:53
I just wanna say the 90's had a very unique feeling to that era. Life was different.
The 2000's still held that. We are about to be out of the 2010's and everything in music has a depressing feeling. From the style of cloths to the music we listen to.
So maybe the speed will pick up in 2030.
But maybe nothing has actually changed. From producing at a slower speed I know for a fact it has helped hard dance. Hardcore? Maybe not so much, but it will return.
When you update an old school sound you get what we have today. It happens to sound better at 160 sometimes.
They are trying to appeal to the Hardstyle audience to get in at their festivals & events. All about money again.
Even Hixxy said a few months ago that hardcore is at 170. It?s at 1 minute 24 seconds.
I can instantly tell when something comes on if it?s slower then it instantly gets turned off.
If they want freedom in production then go make something else at that speed don?t call it hardcore!!!! It?s NOT hardcore!!!!
The U.K scene goes through stages like this when DJ's and Producers can't make a living.
We have had DJ's produce and play hard-house and hardstyle in the raves, in the late 90s, when pickings were slim. Trixxy, Vinylgroover, Bunter, Brisk all had a go at hard-house.
Dougal's foray into semi-hardstyle is no different to this, when Showtek changed styles to play at Omnia in Vegas it was definitely a money grab and it was a criticism levelled at people like Dougal when they took UK Hardcore in early 1994 and merged it with Techno so they could increase the crowds.
Not everyone was happy with the Techno-room bods taking over the main-room and many people stopped going to hardcore raves and the scene split.
This is what needs to happen every cycle, some people will be lost, some will be gained.
U.K hardcore can be produced and played at a wide range of BPM's, the DJs and producers are taking a guess at who will be willing to pay to go to events and buy music.
The good news is that eventually, a new sound will emerge, i would expect that if the state of play continues, the acceptance probably is that this generation of DJs are getting older, so are the crowds and their habits.
History has shown that this is a very exciting time for new sounds as generally speaking, the best tunes arrive at the beginning and at the end of a cycle.
Whether that music appeals to you personally is another matter but it will be UK Hardcore, one way or another.
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