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MusicILove
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 Posted - 2019/11/16 : 11:36:12
Politicians are a bunch of liars. Most of them don't care about people they only care about themselves and about their political career.
When I was younger I was taken out of school many times to talk about the struggles of disabled people I met mayors I met politicians I spoke in front of thousands of people at think tanks at local government meetings at county government meetings, But it was all scripted. I was given a sheet of paper and told what to say. When I tried to put my own things in to get my own point across about what I actually felt and what help and improvements I and others needed I was shot down.
I was used by politicians by people in local government to further their careers.
They were clueless. They wert interested in listening to people like me who were living with it. they just wanted to parade us around and talk about how wonderful they were. Talk about how they were doing such a good job to make it so that someone like me could go to a normal school. It was a who could bring the most pathetic looking thing in to get the sympathy vote competition. Whoever wins gets promoted.
They say they care
They don't
Labour say they are going to do all this wonderful stuff. They won't. They are just using these promises to get votes from people who believe their rubbish.
They said they would drop tuition fees. Then after the election they admitted they couldn't or wouldn't do that.
Labour will make 1000's of people jobless just out of spite for people who are better off. People who provide all of the jobs in the country. They will tax them and make them move their money and business else where. They are wealthy they can leave whenever they want.
Oh and about these food banks. I would love to search the pockets and bags of those people who enter food banks.
I bet most of then have iPhones. I bet most of them don't stop their spending on fags and booze to feed their children when they can just go to a food bank and get it for free. Every prime ministers questions I hear the word food banks. If you offer people something for free they are going to take it.
I'm on benefits and Iv'e never needed to go to a food bank. It's all about money management. Manage your money properly and it can go far. You can have nice things if you spend sensibly and save up. Also find money Opportunities where ever you can. Even ?5 cash in hand an hour is worth it.
Yes there are some genuinely poor people out there but it's not as big a problem as Labour say it is. I'm also not saying everyone who goes to food banks doesn't really need it. I'm just saying I bet most of them don't.
It's people like that who take away from the more needy. Same with the benefits system. Programs like benefit street made people think all people on benefits were scum. It fuelled the benefit changes which the conservatives used to get votes, because people were angry they have to go to work and struggle on a small living, When these people can do nothing and get free money.
I have seen this so many times. People who could work doing everything they can to avoid it. Then they criticise others for doing the same. They lie and cheat the system to get everything they can.
It angers me so much. Here I am can't go out can't get the help I need. Suffering in pain with constant illness having my energy robbed from me. Yet people who can go out and live 100% independently get everything. They can drive them selves to the betting shop they can go for a day out just because they have nothing else better to do.
But despite all of that I'm still voting conservative.
I could be selfish and think about myself and what I need and want now. Then have to pay for it later when austerity has to come back to clean up the mess.
Or
I'm going to vote conservative in hopes that the finances will improve as they have been doing. Hoping that we can improve the economy get more Jobs more people paying tax. Then have some money left over from our current commitments and dept payments to spend improving things.
As for Brexit I voted out and still would. Let's get a proper Brexit. If at the next election it's still not done I'm never voting again.
Thats my take on it.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2019/11/16 : 21:54:57
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
Oh and about these food banks. I would love to search the pockets and bags of those people who enter food banks.
I bet most of then have iPhones. I bet most of them don't stop their spending on fags and booze to feed their children when they can just go to a food bank and get it for free. Every prime ministers questions I hear the word food banks. If you offer people something for free they are going to take it.
I'm on benefits and Iv'e never needed to go to a food bank. It's all about money management. Manage your money properly and it can go far. You can have nice things if you spend sensibly and save up. Also find money Opportunities where ever you can. Even ?5 cash in hand an hour is worth it.
Yes there are some genuinely poor people out there but it's not as big a problem as Labour say it is. I'm also not saying everyone who goes to food banks doesn't really need it. I'm just saying I bet most of them don't.
It's people like that who take away from the more needy. Same with the benefits system. Programs like benefit street made people think all people on benefits were scum. It fuelled the benefit changes which the conservatives used to get votes, because people were angry they have to go to work and struggle on a small living, When these people can do nothing and get free money.
I have seen this so many times. People who could work doing everything they can to avoid it. Then they criticise others for doing the same. They lie and cheat the system to get everything they can.
It angers me so much. Here I am can't go out can't get the help I need. Suffering in pain with constant illness having my energy robbed from me. Yet people who can go out and live 100% independently get everything. They can drive them selves to the betting shop they can go for a day out just because they have nothing else better to do.
But despite all of that I'm still voting conservative.
I could be selfish and think about myself and what I need and want now. Then have to pay for it later when austerity has to come back to clean up the mess.
Or
I'm going to vote conservative in hopes that the finances will improve as they have been doing. Hoping that we can improve the economy get more Jobs more people paying tax. Then have some money left over from our current commitments and dept payments to spend improving things.
As for Brexit I voted out and still would. Let's get a proper Brexit. If at the next election it's still not done I'm never voting again.
Thats my take on it.
Interesting points especially on the food banks. Labour are obsessed with them but care very little about the people who use them. They will say anything for a vote and this week Corbyn has gone mad on promises that we all know that he cannot keep!
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Posted - 2019/11/16 : 22:54:38
You know that Labour are doing a rubbish job when people on benefits/with disabilities are voting Conservative!
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2019/11/17 : 12:59:59
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Left wing ********e
You sound like like a complete c_u_n_t tbh.
Glad you *******s are the minority.
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2019/11/17 : 13:01:28
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You know that Labour are doing a rubbish job when people on benefits/with disabilities are voting Conservative!
This is so true lol
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Posted - 2019/11/17 : 18:57:52
Well it started off fairly civilised.
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Rhoobarb2005
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Posted - 2019/11/17 : 19:21:59
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Well it started off fairly civilised.
Meh, it's a shame that some people think insults and playground name calling makes for a decent discussion. But politics and the internet seems to have a habit of upsetting some folk.
Regardless of which side we choose to plant a flag (or not at all), I think it's safe to assume that interesting times are ahead.
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2019/11/18 : 06:44:32
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Originally posted by Rhoobarb2005:
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Originally posted by Triquatra:
Well it started off fairly civilised.
Meh, it's a shame that some people think insults and playground name calling makes for a decent discussion. But politics and the internet seems to have a habit of upsetting some folk.
Regardless of which side we choose to plant a flag (or not at all), I think it's safe to assume that interesting times are ahead.
Whoever gets in, Anarchy is pretty much on the cards, the left have shown they will do it already since the referendum, and if Corbyn gets in I imagine the right will do the same.
This country is fked no matter which of the main parties gets in. What interests me more is who gets in OTHER than them. Lets face it , there will only be either a labour or tory government. None of the other parties have a hope of getting a majority.
Personally, Hung parliment, with a coalition being formed between either Labour and Lib dems and SNP, or Tories and Brexit Party.
If the former gets in, then Brexit is over, revoked A50 and the riots start, if Tories get in with Brexit party coalition, I can imagine the same will happen.
Either way, Brexit has been the best thing ever to happen to the UK, as no only can we now see the level of corruption plain as day , but we are in a position to force change. Things have to change, because this kinda thing can never happen twice.
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Posted - 2019/11/18 : 19:38:07
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Well it started off fairly civilised.
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2019/11/22 : 06:33:27
Well, for me, yesterday showed the outcome of this GE.
Labour are completely unelectable, they would bankrupt this country with their manifesto, their plans are completely not possible.
Sorry, even if you love Labour and Corbyn, you must be able to see their planned borrowing, planned spending simply do not add up. I don't need to advocate for any other party here, Labour are just dreaming with it. Would be a massive mistake to put them in power.
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Rhoobarb2005
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Posted - 2019/11/22 : 07:53:25
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Well, for me, yesterday showed the outcome of this GE.
Labour are completely unelectable, they would bankrupt this country with their manifesto, their plans are completely not possible.
Sorry, even if you love Labour and Corbyn, you must be able to see their planned borrowing, planned spending simply do not add up. I don't need to advocate for any other party here, Labour are just dreaming with it. Would be a massive mistake to put them in power.
There are no good options though, they are all sleazy liars who blind people with promises of rainbows and fairy dust if they get in power, vs Armageddon if the 'others' get in.
It's not about "our party is better because...." anymore. It's "their party is worse because.....".
Look at the cons, creating fake websites pretending to be labor, and "fact" based twitter accounts, but oop, no we won't let you look at the Russian "donation" report. Why not put that effort into making your own party look better? Because they can't. Same with them all. It's a grim and bleak outlook no matter who you believe.
It's a case of choosing which you despise the least. Or better yet, which pack of lies is the most digestible and leaves you feeling less guilty when they don't happen.
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MusicILove
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Posted - 2019/11/22 : 08:19:32
If you dislike Russia why would you support labour? They will get rid of our nuclear deterrent which could mean Russia could just walk in and take over.. They could just say give us everything or we will kill you all.
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Rhoobarb2005
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Posted - 2019/11/22 : 11:01:17
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If you dislike Russia why would you support labour? They will get rid of our nuclear deterrent which could mean Russia could just walk in and take over.. They could just say give us everything or we will kill you all.
Did they say they would get rid, or stop the money being spent on trident? (havent been keeping up with that)
I never said I was support/vote labour (I am still undecided until everyone sets out their lies, I mean plans), I was more just responding to comments about labour's "promises".
As I said, ALL politicians are corrupt scum. It was the reason I was apolitical before. I hold no allegiance to any party or politician.
It makes me feel a bit dirty to plant my flag in one camp, as none of them fully represent what I would like.
I just have to vote for those who I think will stuff this country up the least, based on my views.
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Posted - 2019/11/22 : 11:07:49
For the love of capitalism... western socialism isn't the same as Russian socialism.
Just look at us in Sweden. We have an even more lefty socialism than labour, yet we hate Russia even more than UK and US combined.
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MusicILove
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Posted - 2019/11/22 : 11:40:55
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Originally posted by MusicILove:
If you dislike Russia why would you support labour? They will get rid of our nuclear deterrent which could mean Russia could just walk in and take over.. They could just say give us everything or we will kill you all.
Did they say they would get rid, or stop the money being spent on trident? (havent been keeping up with that)
I never said I was support/vote labour (I am still undecided until everyone sets out their lies, I mean plans), I was more just responding to comments about labour's "promises".
As I said, ALL politicians are corrupt scum. It was the reason I was apolitical before. I hold no allegiance to any party or politician.
It makes me feel a bit dirty to plant my flag in one camp, as none of them fully represent what I would like.
I just have to vote for those who I think will stuff this country up the least, based on my views.
Fair enough to be honest I?m now fed up of voting I wish that a party would get in do their 4 or 5 years and do what they say they?re going to do within those 4 or 5 years. Instead of just going back on promises or saying we?ve made some progress but we need another 4 or 5 years to finish it.
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