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Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,503 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2019/06/29 : 19:54:52
The remix Dual Illumination (Weaver Mix) could have actually saved the scene form it's demise had Sharkey allowed it. The lack of release for this and the original is a painful loss for the scene.
rafferty Advanced Member
United Kingdom
654 posts Joined: Feb, 2012
Posted - 2019/06/30 : 01:24:59
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
The remix Dual Illumination (Weaver Mix) could have actually saved the scene form it's demise had Sharkey allowed it. The lack of release for this and the original is a painful loss for the scene.
Pretty awesome tune though!
1 track being released could change a scene. That is kind of a big call. Even though it is not a bad tune for the time.
If anything I think Hard House is the scene that is in demise instead of UK Hardcore.
There is nobody in the Hard House scene as popular as guys like Darren Styles or Stonebank.
Then you have a lot of UK Hardcore producers who used to be only Hard House or have gone back to Hardcore.
Klubfiller, Vinylgroover, Technikore, even Alex Kid is producing Hardcore under the Alias AK47.
Then you look a Hardcore music Raves, Hardstyle is played now instead of Hard House .
Actually I think Donk & Bounce is killing off Hard House too. So yeah maybe take a look at your own scene that is doing a lot worse.
If it is even still existing.
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rafferty Advanced Member
United Kingdom
654 posts Joined: Feb, 2012
Posted - 2019/06/30 : 10:14:51
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
That isn't HHC, so it only would have contributed to the prolonged death of UK Hardcore.
UK Hardcore is just a modern version of Happy Hardcore incase you didn't notice lol..
But like I said UK Hardcore is alive and kicking globally. It smashes Hard House these days in popularity.
Hence the reason you could not find a Hard House dj more popular than Stonebank or Darren Styles and are not even debating the fact nobody cares for Hard House/Hard Dance anymore.
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Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,503 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2019/06/30 : 11:28:57
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
1 track being released could change a scene. That is kind of a big call. Even though it is not a bad tune for the time.
If anything I think Hard House is the scene that is in demise instead of UK Hardcore.
There is nobody in the Hard House scene as popular as guys like Darren Styles or Stonebank.
Then you have a lot of UK Hardcore producers who used to be only Hard House or have gone back to Hardcore.
Klubfiller, Vinylgroover, Technikore, even Alex Kid is producing Hardcore under the Alias AK47.
Then you look a Hardcore music Raves, Hardstyle is played now instead of Hard House .
Actually I think Donk & Bounce is killing off Hard House too. So yeah maybe take a look at your own scene that is doing a lot worse.
If it is even still existing.
Never heard so much rubbish in all my life.
Hard House dying? You say that to people I talk to and you would be laughed at.
LeVzi Advanced Member
United Kingdom
944 posts Joined: Feb, 2019
Posted - 2019/07/01 : 05:29:37
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
That isn't HHC, so it only would have contributed to the prolonged death of UK Hardcore.
UK Hardcore is just a modern version of Happy Hardcore incase you didn't notice lol..
But like I said UK Hardcore is alive and kicking globally. It smashes Hard House these days in popularity.
Hence the reason you could not find a Hard House dj more popular than Stonebank or Darren Styles and are not even debating the fact nobody cares for Hard House/Hard Dance anymore.
Being eternally optimistic is commendable, but completely deluded in this case. UK Hardcore / Happy Hardcore is at it's all time low.
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,503 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2019/07/01 : 09:34:47
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
That isn't HHC, so it only would have contributed to the prolonged death of UK Hardcore.
UK Hardcore is just a modern version of Happy Hardcore incase you didn't notice lol..
But like I said UK Hardcore is alive and kicking globally. It smashes Hard House these days in popularity.
Hence the reason you could not find a Hard House dj more popular than Stonebank or Darren Styles and are not even debating the fact nobody cares for Hard House/Hard Dance anymore.
Being eternally optimistic is commendable, but completely deluded in this case. UK Hardcore / Happy Hardcore is at it's all time low.
It has been low for almost a decade now. I know people who still listen to Hardcore but it is always 'the classics' be that early 90s, mid 90s, late 90s, early 2000s ect. There have been peaks and troughs with Hardcore but there has not been much of a peak since around 2007 when the UK Hardcore sound of the last decade started to cool a bit. By the start of the decade a lot of people had already abandoned the scene and will only listen to 'the classics'
rafferty Advanced Member
United Kingdom
654 posts Joined: Feb, 2012
Posted - 2019/07/06 : 07:24:19
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
That isn't HHC, so it only would have contributed to the prolonged death of UK Hardcore.
UK Hardcore is just a modern version of Happy Hardcore incase you didn't notice lol..
But like I said UK Hardcore is alive and kicking globally. It smashes Hard House these days in popularity.
Hence the reason you could not find a Hard House dj more popular than Stonebank or Darren Styles and are not even debating the fact nobody cares for Hard House/Hard Dance anymore.
Being eternally optimistic is commendable, but completely deluded in this case. UK Hardcore / Happy Hardcore is at it's all time low.
It has been low for almost a decade now. I know people who still listen to Hardcore but it is always 'the classics' be that early 90s, mid 90s, late 90s, early 2000s ect. There have been peaks and troughs with Hardcore but there has not been much of a peak since around 2007 when the UK Hardcore sound of the last decade started to cool a bit. By the start of the decade a lot of people had already abandoned the scene and will only listen to 'the classics'
More lies from you Smoogie. Do you ever tell the truth?
Or do you just assume that because your not into Hardcore. Nobody else is either. The Hardcore scene has always gone in peaks and lows I agree. But it is still smashing Hard House in popularity and production which is'nt hard considering Hard House is dead.
I'll bet you a 1000 quid that Hardcore is more popular than Hard House at the moment. Put your money where your mouth is smoogdog.
Tweekacore live with new productions. Not old classics like Smoopy says.
Darren Styles live
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rafferty Advanced Member
United Kingdom
654 posts Joined: Feb, 2012
Posted - 2019/07/06 : 07:34:37
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
That isn't HHC, so it only would have contributed to the prolonged death of UK Hardcore.
UK Hardcore is just a modern version of Happy Hardcore incase you didn't notice lol..
But like I said UK Hardcore is alive and kicking globally. It smashes Hard House these days in popularity.
Hence the reason you could not find a Hard House dj more popular than Stonebank or Darren Styles and are not even debating the fact nobody cares for Hard House/Hard Dance anymore.
Being eternally optimistic is commendable, but completely deluded in this case. UK Hardcore / Happy Hardcore is at it's all time low.
I agree it is no where near what it was in 1996. I think it was actually worse in 2000 though. But for Smoogie to say Hard House is what everyone is into now and that it is more popular than Hardcore is simply not true.
The guy is delusional.
The fact Europeans like Tweekacore have started producing it and playing it to big crowds and guys like Vinylgroover are back producing to me is not all doom and gloom. Even Alex Kid is dabbling in Hardcore now.
Is in a transition faze.
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Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,204 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2019/07/06 : 07:36:40
God damn that remix butchered the song completely. 70% of that video is just filler parts... and dont get me talking about the melody...
I guess Final Fantasy/Komakino regrets allowing Darren to sing it now
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rafferty Advanced Member
United Kingdom
654 posts Joined: Feb, 2012
Posted - 2019/07/06 : 07:39:59
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
God damn that remix butchered the song completely. 70% of that video is just filler parts... and dont get me talking about the melody...
I guess Final Fantasy/Komakino regrets allowing Darren to sing it now
I never liked either version I'll be honest. He has a lot of better tracks out like Skydivin.
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Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,204 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2019/07/06 : 09:38:52
I still prefer his older Unique stuff (no matter how cringe they are), but if I have to select anything newer, it has to be stuff from the skydivin era
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LeVzi Advanced Member
United Kingdom
944 posts Joined: Feb, 2019
Posted - 2019/07/06 : 11:12:24
I dont know much about hard house these days, and tbh I dont care either because it was never something I liked much past 1996 , hardcore always had a bigger fanbase.
I am undecided on the tweekaz stuff tbh, luv u more remix was great, not really heard much more of their stuff.
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