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michael_mansion
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 Posted - 2007/12/14 : 05:25:22
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by Serenity:
My only request is that the vocals be raw 24-bit (if possible), and un-tuned so that they can be edited and processed as needed! Melodyne and autotune are good, but only when used properly and I'd rather have that control over my track!
In that case I think both RAW and melodyned/autotuned vocals should be provided. I really don't have the knowledge, motivation or time to autotune vocals properly myself.
I completely disagree. Vox should come fully tuned. Some producers do not have Melodyne and other expensive vocal tuning software, or hacking skills.
Providing RAW vocals diminishes future expectations from the producer who actually recorded the vocals, and also doesn't guarantee that the remixer will do a good job tuning them. Henceforth, the audience thinks the song is shit, when it actually isn't.
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Phenex
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 08:01:13
Count me in!
I agree with Serenity that using untuned vocals is the best way to show how skilled a producer really is, but if you would remix someone else's song, the vocals would come pretuned (most of the time). Also if they're pretuned, the results would be more even and the focus would be on the production of the tune, rather than the processing of the vocals.
I vote we make the song 170BPM, minimum of 4 minutes, maximum of 6/7 minutes, 128-192kbps CBR mp3.
As for voting, we should make it an anonymous poll. That is, each track will be PM'd to the competition admin, then will be uploaded under a new name (e.g. Track 05) and then people can vote in the thread which number they liked the most. This is to prevent this from being a popularity contest (and thus focusing on the music).
Re: samples, I think everyone should get high quality samples provided here and have the choice of not using them, but the vocals should be mandatory. 
EDIT: Could we also get this on the front page once the voting begins?
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Edited by - Phenex on 2007/12/14 08:26:03 |
Hashlygreen69
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 09:15:16
put me down for this one
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novaboy
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 09:26:29
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Originally posted by michael_mansion:
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
My only request is that the vocals be raw 24-bit (if possible), and un-tuned so that they can be edited and processed as needed! Melodyne and autotune are good, but only when used properly and I'd rather have that control over my track!
In that case I think both RAW and melodyned/autotuned vocals should be provided. I really don't have the knowledge, motivation or time to autotune vocals properly myself.
I completely disagree. Vox should come fully tuned. Some producers do not have Melodyne and other expensive vocal tuning software, or hacking skills.
Providing RAW vocals diminishes future expectations from the producer who actually recorded the vocals, and also doesn't guarantee that the remixer will do a good job tuning them. Henceforth, the audience thinks the song is shit, when it actually isn't.
fully tuned!!!
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boc4j
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 10:14:33
put my name down :)
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 10:26:09
Maybe reading the last competition's RULES that are relevant to this one will help -
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Originally posted by silver:
Yeah it's a producers comp... there have been a few in the past... Indiscriminant records for one... but I still love the idea...
Ok rules for the comp:
1. The lyrics have to be written by a member of the site. Publishing rights will go to the creators of the lyrics.
2. The vocals have to be sung by a member of the site, male or female, duet or combination of different singers.
3. The Artist of the track will be the Producer's name, feat. the Singer's name.
4. The track has to be produced by a member of the site and posted only here.
5. The track can be remixed or further collaborated on by other members of the site if you post the project file.
Going forward recommend:
Start writing lyrics, make a few drafts and then post them, revise and take advice from other members.
Make a simple 140-150 BPM track that the singer can singer over and record the lyrics, the singer listens to the lyrics in their headphones
while recording the raw vocals on the mic. This does not have to sound anything like the final track, it is just so that the singer can keep time.
Post this simple track.
Producers download the vocals, time stretch to their liking and produce a track. Post your work once you get going.
This is open to anyone, pro or starters.
It's all hardcore.
....this may help to solve any confusion.... 
Ahah! *the penny finally drops*
Matt's point about deciding if there's only one set of vocals or not....?
We need a vote or something, soon, so that no-one wastes time over Christmas recording vocals that aren't needed.
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Edited by - Ionosphere on 2007/12/14 10:40:57 |
Serenity
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 14:14:48
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Originally posted by michael_mansion:
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Originally posted by Serenity:
My only request is that the vocals be raw 24-bit (if possible), and un-tuned so that they can be edited and processed as needed! Melodyne and autotune are good, but only when used properly and I'd rather have that control over my track!
I completely disagree. Vox should come fully tuned. Some producers do not have Melodyne and other expensive vocal tuning software, or hacking skills.
Providing RAW vocals diminishes future expectations from the producer who actually recorded the vocals, and also doesn't guarantee that the remixer will do a good job tuning them. Henceforth, the audience thinks the song is shit, when it actually isn't.
Perhaps as a solution then you could have the raw ones available in addition to pre-tuned vox? I'm also assuming that these will be dry even if they are tuned, correct? I'm sorry for asking so many questions, but I am probably the biggest perfectionist you will ever meet when it comes to intonation. Just ask Robin ... I cringe at the sound of severely detuned synths too!
Another thing you might want to do in addition to a midi of the vocal is include what key and/or chord progression it was written in, because that will help production newbies (like me, I've only ever worked with an engineer) get started with the bassline and riff.
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Ojjistar
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 14:21:51
Im in ! :D
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michael_mansion
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 14:54:10
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
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Originally posted by michael_mansion:
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Originally posted by Serenity:
My only request is that the vocals be raw 24-bit (if possible), and un-tuned so that they can be edited and processed as needed! Melodyne and autotune are good, but only when used properly and I'd rather have that control over my track!
I completely disagree. Vox should come fully tuned. Some producers do not have Melodyne and other expensive vocal tuning software, or hacking skills.
Providing RAW vocals diminishes future expectations from the producer who actually recorded the vocals, and also doesn't guarantee that the remixer will do a good job tuning them. Henceforth, the audience thinks the song is shit, when it actually isn't.
Perhaps as a solution then you could have the raw ones available in addition to pre-tuned vox? I'm also assuming that these will be dry even if they are tuned, correct? I'm sorry for asking so many questions, but I am probably the biggest perfectionist you will ever meet when it comes to intonation. Just ask Robin ... I cringe at the sound of severely detuned synths too!
Another thing you might want to do in addition to a midi of the vocal is include what key and/or chord progression it was written in, because that will help production newbies (like me, I've only ever worked with an engineer) get started with the bassline and riff.
Why post raw vocals at all? The vox should be dry and fully-tuned. They shouldn't be eq'd either. Everybody should be using the exact same set of vocals.
Just my opinion.
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Edited by - michael_mansion on 2007/12/14 15:14:58 |
novaboy
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 15:46:52
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
quote:
Originally posted by Serenity:
My only request is that the vocals be raw 24-bit (if possible), and un-tuned so that they can be edited and processed as needed! Melodyne and autotune are good, but only when used properly and I'd rather have that control over my track!
I completely disagree. Vox should come fully tuned. Some producers do not have Melodyne and other expensive vocal tuning software, or hacking skills.
Providing RAW vocals diminishes future expectations from the producer who actually recorded the vocals, and also doesn't guarantee that the remixer will do a good job tuning them. Henceforth, the audience thinks the song is shit, when it actually isn't.
Perhaps as a solution then you could have the raw ones available in addition to pre-tuned vox? I'm also assuming that these will be dry even if they are tuned, correct? I'm sorry for asking so many questions, but I am probably the biggest perfectionist you will ever meet when it comes to intonation. Just ask Robin ... I cringe at the sound of severely detuned synths too!
Another thing you might want to do in addition to a midi of the vocal is include what key and/or chord progression it was written in, because that will help production newbies (like me, I've only ever worked with an engineer) get started with the bassline and riff.
Why post raw vocals at all? The vox should be dry and fully-tuned. They shouldn't be eq'd either. Everybody should be using the exact same set of vocals.
Just my opinion.
well no, absolutely everyone should agree with what michael said.
to be honest, anyone who doesnt is being un fair to the majority..
Vocals : same as everyone. Not eq'ed or mucked with. But dry, single layer, full tuned.
Thats absolutely perfect.
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djkierans
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 16:39:49
Sounds good i will have a go at this.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 16:39:56
yay, I'm not the only one that doesn't want untuned vocals :D
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Ruffage
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 16:41:27
quote:
Originally posted by michael_mansion:
Why post raw vocals at all? The vox should be dry and fully-tuned. They shouldn't be eq'd either. Everybody should be using the exact same set of vocals.
Just my opinion.
Why must the vocals come tuned? Who's to say that whoever would be tuning them is doing it properly? Vocal editing/processing/mixing is a key element of production, and something that's severely lacking among the vast majority of hardcore producers. For people who are used to being lazy and dropping a pre-processed accapella into their tracks, they'd have two months to figure it out :)
If it were a remix, I could understand a more polished vocal being provided, but this is a production competition (so the name says anyway), so I think raw/bare bones is the way to go. But that's just me :D
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michael_mansion
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 17:02:51
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Originally posted by Ruffage:
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Originally posted by michael_mansion:
Why post raw vocals at all? The vox should be dry and fully-tuned. They shouldn't be eq'd either. Everybody should be using the exact same set of vocals.
Just my opinion.
Why must the vocals come tuned? Who's to say that whoever would be tuning them is doing it properly? Vocal editing/processing/mixing is a key element of production, and something that's severely lacking among the vast majority of hardcore producers. For people who are used to being lazy and dropping a pre-processed accapella into their tracks, they'd have two months to figure it out :)
If it were a remix, I could understand a more polished vocal being provided, but this is a production competition (so the name says anyway), so I think raw/bare bones is the way to go. But that's just me :D
Ruffage
I must say, Ruffage...you have a good point. There's something I have completely missed in this discussion:
Since this is a "Production Competition" every producer should be free to do anything he wants, even if that means recording his own vox and presenting any song he wants. (which I am in favor of, quite frankly)
So, the entrants into this competition should be required to do everything: songwriting, recording, producing, engineering, etc...now that's a production competition!!
If this were a "Remix Competition" (which it apparently isn't), then the vox should be provided fully-tuned and dry, ready to be placed in a mix.
So since this is a Production Competition, I think we should all just come armored with our own tracks. May the best track win!
This is just my opinion, by the way. Nothing serious.
-Mike
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Edited by - michael_mansion on 2007/12/14 17:04:06 |
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 17:08:10
Sure, count me in!
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